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Descartes
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 04:28 am |
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I have done some research, crunched some numbers, and came up with a list of values that I think represents a fair measure of a previously vague quality. However I'd like to show you all some of the points on the list and let you say what you think the values correspond to. If you see what I think I see, I'll have some evidence of the worth of the measure.
Here are some schools on the list and their mystery index values:
Rhodes, 0.88
DePauw, 0.77
Vanderbilt, 0.65
Kenyon, 0.63
Davidson, 0.59
Gettysburg, 0.57
Colgate, 0.52
Hamilton, 0.50
Dartmouth, 0.50
Duke, 0.43
Northwestern, 0.41
U of VA, 0.40
Bates, 0.39
Middlebury, 0.35
USC, 0.32
Brown, 0.31
U of Chicago, .29
Yale, 0.27
U of MI, 0.26
Amherst, 0.26
Harvard, 0.21
Carleton, 0.20
U of Iowa, 0.18
Hedrix, 0.18
UCLA, 0.13
U of MN-Morris, 0.06
What would you say these numbers measure, if anything at all?
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 12:03 pm |
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| It's 5 am and clearly at least the first cup of java is needed before launching into this one!
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 04:04 pm |
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Tasty meals, on a scale of zero to one?
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 04:25 pm |
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wild guess after one cup of coffee: Higher equals more creative accessiblity/financial support for middle class over-represented majorities. At least I think Rhodes uses more "real person" measures to find kids that fit their community than those lower on the scale can/do....I wish to have a larger set of data points for my wild guessing, I guess....
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CarolynLawrence
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 04:29 pm |
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Greek Life on campus?
Although Carleton doesn't have Greeks.
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Descartes
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 04:43 pm |
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CarolynLawrence wrote: Greek Life on campus?
Although Carleton doesn't have Greeks.
Getting warmer. I added some more data points.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 04:49 pm |
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| Students living on campus?
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 06:55 pm |
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percentage of students who attend church services?
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lfm
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 07:02 pm |
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Lupine wrote: percentage of students who attend church services?
That wouldnt expain the difference between usc and ucla. anyway
http://pewforum.org/events/?EventID=168
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 07:58 pm |
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Three thoughts:
1. Percent of UG students involved in research
2. Percent of UG students involved in volunteering
3. Grad school acceptance rate
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Descartes
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 08:27 pm |
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Let me clarify that this is not just a simple percentage but a value derived from calculations applied to other values.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16th, 2008 02:15 pm |
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oh, just to get the entertaining guessing going I will toss in some:
index of Greeks(as in pledged a frat/sorority) who go on to get Fullbrights
index of those who matriculate in med school who can also fix a mint julep
index of URMs who go on to a PhD in biochemistry
this exercise will end up being some kind of measure of face validity too, won't it?
more clues please? I am intrigued by the apparent correlation of more Southern schools at the high end....
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Descartes
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Posted: Wed Jul 16th, 2008 02:50 pm |
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I couldn't find mint julep data. Do you have a source?
I hadn't really noticed the regional slant before, but it might in fact be a real statistical trend. However I have added a few more data points, some of them counter to this trend.
Here's a big hint: some of the schools I just added were prompted by a comment that was posted yesterday (not on this thread and not by me). The new data support that comment.
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CarolynLawrence
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Posted: Wed Jul 16th, 2008 07:40 pm |
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mmaah wrote: oh, just to get the entertaining guessing going I will toss in some:
index of Greeks(as in pledged a frat/sorority) who go on to get Fullbrights
index of those who matriculate in med school who can also fix a mint julep
index of URMs who go on to a PhD in biochemistry
This cracked me up mmaah! What a hoot.
Descartes, is one of your values about political attitudes of students --- as in strength of conservative slant in the student body?
Last edited on Wed Jul 16th, 2008 07:42 pm by CarolynLawrence
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Posted: Wed Jul 16th, 2008 07:59 pm |
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| I think it's gonna take more than a cup of java (or several) for me on this one . .
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Posted: Wed Jul 16th, 2008 08:16 pm |
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| Ah, Limner! Perhaps that's another clue: availability of a good cup of Joe on campus????
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Posted: Wed Jul 16th, 2008 08:37 pm |
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Could be, Carolyn! I thought the quality of the food was a good guess, seeing how low Carleton was ranked. But one can watch that particular index go up next year, I think, with the advent of Bon Apetite at Carleton.
Descartes said it wasn't just one so index, so maybe it's the availability of java *and* mint juleps!
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Descartes
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Posted: Wed Jul 16th, 2008 10:27 pm |
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CarolynLawrence wrote: Descartes, is one of your values about political attitudes of students --- as in strength of conservative slant in the student body?
I suspect there is a correlation, even a fairly strong one, but that is not what the I am trying to measure. The quality I am trying to quantify here is broader than Greek life but not so broad as political sympathies.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16th, 2008 11:59 pm |
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okay...how about you give us the figures for Whitman, Occidental, Knox, Bennington and Oral Roberts....
and no I do not have a source for data on mint juleps. but my anecdotal case data is that they are very potent
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Descartes
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Posted: Thu Jul 17th, 2008 02:01 am |
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Whitman, 0.48
Occidental, 0.34
Oral Roberts, 0.17
I can't get a crucial datapoint for Bennington so am unable to calculate the index. I find this true of many public schools, too.
I have to say that it seems that the index isn't so reliable for religiously affiliated schools.
Whitman might have the highest mystery index on the West Coast - most of the schools out there I find have low ones. (No, there is nothing overtly geographic considered in the index's formula). Same for midwest schools and public schools, although there appear to be notable exceptions to these trends.
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