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CalifCarolyn
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Posted: Wed Aug 30th, 2006 04:44 pm |
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thank-you....just what we need more confusion!!
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limner
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Posted: Wed Aug 30th, 2006 05:24 pm |
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| Yeah, I know. I can get confused all by myself without any help from outside sources.
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patsmom
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Posted: Wed Aug 30th, 2006 06:51 pm |
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| Wake Forest now accepts the ACT (starting with the kids who are applying this year).
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CarolynLawrence
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Posted: Wed Aug 30th, 2006 08:11 pm |
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limner wrote: Yeah, I know. I can get confused all by myself without any help from outside sources.
Snort! 
As for the ACT "only" -- I know for a fact that Grinnell, Carleton, Middlebury, Reed AND Boston College accept either the SAT or ACT. There has been no sudden bolt from the SAT as the wording on the US News site might suggest.
The BEST bet is to never rely solely on published sources other than the school's own website. Publishers make mistakes all the time, and I have found loads of inaccurate information in guidebooks, other websites, etc.
ALWAYS go directly to the source. Then there is no chance of confusion or wrong information.
Last edited on Wed Aug 30th, 2006 08:14 pm by CarolynLawrence
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limner
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Posted: Wed Aug 30th, 2006 09:08 pm |
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Excellent advice--as usual!
I'm still giddy from S insisting that he has to make his final list. However, it's in flux, mainly, I think, because he's not that well-informed--yet, at least. For example, he had U. of Mich down as a "safety." (You can picture me rolling my eyes here--but out of sight of S.) I diplomatically told him that Michigan was unlikely to be a safety for an OOSer (and went on to explain about UVa, Michigan, UNC-Chapel HIll, etc.)
Anyway, you get the picture of his list. I did manage to get in the fact (he still has a low tolerance for too much admissions talk) that LACs are usually looking for guys, since their applications are heavy with double X chromosomes. I told him to think about adding an LAC as opposed to a good state school as a safety. When he does get a "final" list, I'm going to post it here and ask for your wise opinions. I'm afraid that musket is still aimed quite high, but I'll feel okay if we can just get a couple of good safeties on there.
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mominva
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Posted: Wed Aug 30th, 2006 09:41 pm |
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Limner,
Good point on the XX chromosomes. My older two each ended up at places which were good fits, maybe 50/50 for their stats, but my D offered her XX to an XY heavy school and her brother's XY was welcome at an XX heavy place.
Unfortunatly D#2's list is full of XX heavy places . Hopefully at one or two she'll be better than 50/50 with a geography tip.
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limner
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Posted: Wed Aug 30th, 2006 09:48 pm |
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mominva, I think it's good to keep all this stuff in mind, but ultimately, like your D2, the kids need to apply where they really want to go. All we can do is offer the info and help round out the application lists, etc. At least, that's all I feel comfortable (or able) to do. 
S seems to want to get the stuff together for his teacher and GC recommendations more than figure out his app. list. But I think I need to follow his lead. Now, where's that darned duct tape . . .
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entomom
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Posted: Thu Aug 31st, 2006 02:36 am |
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limner,
There was a thread the other day on CC about stats needed to get into U Michigan. I usually wouldn't give much weight to such guesses, but these estimates were given by Alexandre, the moderator of the Michigan board and a very knowledgable poster:
Out of State:
Safety: 4.0 gpa, 33+ on the ACT, 1450+ on the SAT
Match: 3.7 - 3.9 gpa, 28-32 on the ACT, 1300-1450 on the SAT
Reach: under 3.7 gpa, less than 28 on the ACT, less than 1280 on the SAT
If your son likes Michigan, he might also like Wisconsin-Madison too, another great college town and a little safer safety for an OOS student.
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limner
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Posted: Thu Aug 31st, 2006 03:08 am |
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Oh, dear. I may have to apologize to him. He's got all that a safety would need except his unweighted GPA is 3.83. But everything else is there.
Thanks for the info entomom. I read CC sometimes, but there's so much there. I've got other stuff I've got to get done!
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entomom
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Posted: Thu Aug 31st, 2006 04:02 am |
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I know what you mean, it's easy to get sucked in and then wonder where the time went  . I still check a few of the discussions, but the learning curve has definitely leveled off and many of the questions repeat each year as new posters come of age.
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GoBlueAlumMom
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Posted: Thu Aug 31st, 2006 11:21 am |
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FYI on the U-Michigan GPA's posted by Alexandre. Most likely, those are the recalculated "Michigan" GPA. U-M pulls only core academic courses off the HS transcript, disregards electives, disregards +'s and -'s, disregards freshman year grades, assigns a point system to an applicant's sophomore and junior year academic grades...4 for an A, 3 for a B, etc. and recomputes. Strength of curriculum is taken into account during the app review, but not actually factored into the Michigan GPA which is unweighted.
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limner
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Posted: Thu Aug 31st, 2006 11:33 am |
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Wow, thanks, GoBlueAlumMom. That work's to S's strengths, since freshman year had plenty of Bs (I believe he's only gotten one since then).
My uncle went to U-M and my Dad (the older one) went to Mich. State. My uncle sent my brother a U-M sweatshirt every year starting at about age two, and my brother was converted.
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CarolynLawrence
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Posted: Thu Aug 31st, 2006 03:36 pm |
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And, remember, a key to boosting chances for UMich is to apply as early as possible. They are rolling admissions, and it definitely gets harder as the season goes by to get in. I've seen kids that fall firmly into Alexandre's "safety" category apply in December/January and be rejected, and kids in Alexandre's "reach" category apply in early October or late September and be accepted. So, to make Michigan a true match or safety for out of state students, the best advice is apply as soon as possible. I personally would not consider Michigan a safety for any OOS student applying after December 1, no matter how great their stats.
By the way, I mentioned this before, but will do so again here just in case any junior parents read this: Michigan is considering moving away from straight rolling admissions for next year. They're leaning towards an early action plan. Nothing definite yet, but they noted this in their counselor newsletter in June. For this year (2007 grads), they remain rolling admissions.
I also agree with entomom: Wisconsin is a very good back up for kids who like Michigan, although it is increasingly more competitive each year for out of state students as well. In some ways, I actually prefer Wisconsin to Michigan.
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Posted: Thu Aug 31st, 2006 06:05 pm |
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Carolyn, do you mind sharing with us why you prefer UWisc? I myself have a completely irrational preference for UWisc, having never been there, only because I know a couple of guys who graduated from there in Comp Sci who are just wonderful. Brilliant, kind, politically in my camp. What is your reasoning, which I am sure is much more grounded then my kneejerk....
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mathmom
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Posted: Thu Aug 31st, 2006 08:49 pm |
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You know the same guys there I know?
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mathmom
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Posted: Thu Aug 31st, 2006 08:49 pm |
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You know the same guys there I know?
Hmm hit send twice, but don't see an option to delete this one.
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limner
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Posted: Thu Aug 31st, 2006 09:43 pm |
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| It just shows that those U-W guys must be quite special.
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Posted: Thu Aug 31st, 2006 10:50 pm |
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| He he. The guys I know founded a software company that went public and was later bought by one of the big systems companies. They used their $$$ to start a co-housing community. How's that for only in America? And they really were great guys. Sounds like UWisc spawned a whole school of them?
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GoBlueAlumMom
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Posted: Thu Aug 31st, 2006 11:30 pm |
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In some ways, I actually prefer Wisconsin to Michigan.
Carolyn, do you mind sharing with us why you prefer UWisc?
Yes, I'd be interested in your critique as well. I know you recently visited Madison during your D's college-drop off trip to Beloit. If you've been able to formally tour both campuses, could you please compare and contrast? Thanks.
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entomom
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Posted: Fri Sep 1st, 2006 02:45 am |
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Thanks GoBlue and Carolyn for the UM grade formula and caviat about early application. Getting that application in early helps the chances of receiving merit dollars as well. The College of L&S has merit scholarships up to 20k; other colleges within U Mich may too, I just haven't researched it.
A current thread on the Parents forum of CC has an interesting trip report and comments from lots of people about U Wisconsin. I found the information about Learning Communities (housing) interesting, I would put the links here but I can't seem to copy and paste them  !!
Funny, the reason we started considering Wisconsin was because the other UW (Washington) was on my D's list since we go to Seattle frequently. Someone mistook it for U of Wisconsin and the rest is history. She had a free SAT score report sent to Wisconsin and they replied immediately with a postcard that said, "We got your scores.....and they're GREAT!!!" It's been on our refridg ever since and she's really excited about the possibility of going to school there.
Looks like the schuelding got cleared up, she'll have to take French at another HS, but it will only be for one semester. She's also got classes at the local U all year since her HS doesn't offer a lot of advanced classes. One nice thing is that the school district has just started paying for the classes that aren't offered. The down side is that it's a zero sum game for the schools--though they're paying for kids to take these outside classes, they haven't been given a bigger budget to cover the added costs.
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