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GoBlueAlumMom
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Posted: Mon Aug 28th, 2006 09:54 pm |
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| I'll second what Mezzomom had to say about Ohio Wesleyan and will take it a step further. Our visit was during a tour of several Ohio colleges. S. was being recruited by the Men's Lacrosse Coach so a meeting had been planned ahead of our arrival. Honestly, if we hadn't had that commitment, we would have proceeded on to the next school on our itinerary. The entire campus looked very tired and worn. When my son left the recruiting meeting, his first comment was, "Nice guy (the coach), but the athletic facilities are a dump. He must have a hard time getting guys to come here since there's good LAX all over Ohio." In addition, the school is located in the VERY small town of Delaware which almost felt like a ghost town. I hate to sound so pessimistic as I have heard they are generous with merit aid, but so are many of their competitor LAC's.
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Posted: Tue Aug 29th, 2006 01:15 am |
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Well, what a differnce a day makes. S came home this afternoon and asked if I was busy--of course, two deadlines and two meetings this evening--argh. But I said, no, and he said that he wanted to go over his list of colleges. Egads! It's a good thing I was sitting down. His list is still rusty (one college dropped off almost immediately after he read more on it), but when I questioned a school becasuse it's pretty heavilly Greek (although his Dad went there) and suggested a different one, he grabbed the Fiske guide and started reading. He also had a list of things he wanted to get ready to give his teachers and GC for rec ltrs., and he wants to get folders to put it all in--what a change. I'm so relieved!
Apparently, his English teacher had gone over things that she'd like from the people who want her to write recs. So that seems to have gotten him going. And, I'm so proud of him, he got word that he's a Nat. Merit SemiFinalist. He says his GC told him that SFs always become Finalists--is this true? He has to write an essay (which he's already started--egads, again).
Anyway, it seems that the duct tape has really helped. 
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Lderochi
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Posted: Tue Aug 29th, 2006 02:05 am |
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My understanding is that SF *almost* always become finalists -- obviously, he'll have to take the SAT itself (if he hasn't already done so) and the score has to be in the expected range. Plus it's possible to be denied finalist status if the student's record reveals some significant character flaw, etc.
But really, I think it's normally a done deal. Congrats!
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Posted: Tue Aug 29th, 2006 03:14 am |
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Congrats to Limner's son for NM and to you for letting him lead his search  , sounds like things moving right along!
My D is having some problems with her schedule too, several classes are offered just one or two blocks, making it difficult to get everything she had planned on taking. We do have another HS in town where she might be able to take a class to resolve the conflict, though then she'd be ferrying between 3 schools for part of the year.
Even though she already has two college visits arranged for this fall, she's trying to talk me into letting her visit the U of Wisconsin in October. Coincidentally, Bob Dylan and the Foo Fighters are giving a concert in Madison that same weekend....
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HImom
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Posted: Tue Aug 29th, 2006 07:17 am |
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Congrats on your S being named NMSF--it is a very nice achievement & can provide merit money at some schools (tho NOT ivies).
Statistically, 16,000 students are NMSFs & of those, 15,000 go on to become NMFs. They look at grades, ECs, & I believe whether you have any disciplinary record at your school, as well as whether your SAT scores support your PSAT performance in deciding whether you go on to become a NMF. My S decided to beef up his EC involvement & worked very hard to be sure he got all As & Bs for his 1st semester of senior year & wrote (I imagine) a decent essay (which I never got to read or hear). He went from NMSF to NMF, as did most of the candidates from his HS.
One student we know of who didn't get named as a NMF got a "C" as one of his 1st semester grades in senior year & got his letter saying he wouldn't advance to NMSF shortly after that. I've heard rumors of some students who got a "C" who nonetheless did advance to NMF tho.
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Posted: Tue Aug 29th, 2006 10:25 am |
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This forum is amazing--thank you so much for all the NMSF, etc. info. I will let S know that its not a completely done deal. Nothing like a little more motivation. He has taken both the SAT and the ACT. His SAT scores were, well, if you take the PSAT scores and add a zero at the end, he scored the same on math, 20 pts. less (on SAT) on verbal and 20 pts. less (on SAT) on writing (hope this makes sense). HIs ACT looked higher (as far as I can tell) than SAT. So I'd assume those are in the range. He still has to take his SAT IIs.
Entomom, sorry to hear about the scheduling snafus. As I posted earlier, S is taking a dual enrollment course at the university here. I don't know if that's an option in your school.
And I've been meaning to say welcome to the U.S. to Binx. I read about your saga a while ago, and it was great to see that you were here.
One thing that's given me hope recently: I ran into a friend whose son was a year ahead of mine at the same school (and who had choices including Middlebury and Brown--he chose the former). She said that both her kids (the other's at Davidson) could never have made the choices they did in the fall of their senior year. She said both "matured" enormously during the course of their senior years. That made me feel better (and set me more against ED). Well, I'm going to go wake up my 4th grader for school!
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Posted: Tue Aug 29th, 2006 11:19 am |
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Thanks for the welcome, limner. We heard our stuff has arrived in Atlanta and are expecting a call from the movers any day. Once we actually have furniture, it will be a lot easier to settle. As it is, we have papers everywhere, with no place to put anything. (Everything is in the kitchen cabinets and on the counters.) And congrats to your S on NMSF! Sounds promising.
Thanks, too, for those offering their experiences with Ohio Wesleyan. That's a bit discouraging, to say the least. But why I value this board! Would hate to get all excited about one school, and neglect others, then have the one be a disappointment. But we'll still look and let her decide for herself. S2 protested that he liked Case (when we visited Cleveland Institute), and goes to school with lots of big roads ("I've got Broadway running through my 'campus'.") I do think it might bother D more - especially once we visit other campuses, but seeing her brother's reaction will help her stay open if it turns out she really likes other things about the school.
Since we're not getting any mail yet, I'm not aware of the visitation dates at various schools. I realized that when one of the schools at the CTCL fair handed me a list of scheduled senior events. So I've been hunting through college websites, trying to make a list. I know that we can visit places outside of these dates, but I'd like to fit a few of these programs in, too. Davidson has one on Sept 16 that we might try to make. That happens to be at the end of the week where D has testing all week (graduation tests that most of her classmates have already taken.) So I know she's going to be facing a mountain of make-up work from her classes, too. It's also following the week I'm scheduled for jury duty. (Nice welcome home gift - summons arrived a few days after me!) But I have a feeling life is going to be like that for awhile, so we'll just take it a day at a time.
Does anybody have any opinions about attending organized events vs. scheduling individual visits? I don't think overnights are going to be possible, since we have so many schools to visit this fall, and so little time.
Someone (HiMom?) mentioned being a planner, and that definitely describes me. I suspect boards like this one tend to attract more of us. (I'm really good at loosening the duct tape with my tongue.  )
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limner
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Posted: Tue Aug 29th, 2006 11:38 am |
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binx wrote:
Someone (HiMom?) mentioned being a planner, and that definitely describes me. I suspect boards like this one tend to attract more of us. (I'm really good at loosening the duct tape with my tongue. )
LOL, binx! A girl's gotta do what a girl's gotta do. I'm a better planner for other people, but I'm more of one for myself than I used to be.
Regarding the overnights, I'm thinking that those will be/should be saved for when acceptances come in and final decisions loom. Friends of ours insisted their D do one at Wesleyan when she was considering ED there. She realized that being "liberal" here in the South was different than being considered so in the Northeast--the co-ed dorm freaked her out a bit. She ended up at Middlebury and loved it.
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Posted: Tue Aug 29th, 2006 12:30 pm |
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Based on limited experience (6 individual visits, one "Juniors Day" visit), I'm definitely on the "individual visit" camp - if you can still get the info session and the tour. We found the Juniors Day a bit much; several sessions which seemed pretty repetitive, too many kids, too much a "dog and pony" show. My d was so fed up with it that we didn't even take the tour, although she did like the school and will consider it. We just felt that we didn't get any feeling for what the school was really like. (I do know that even the individual sessions don't give you enough of a chance to see what the school is really like, but the group sessions were even worse.) And there was no real opportunity to ask individual questions that weren't necessarily of interest to the "whole group."
Bottom line - I'd do the organized events at a particular school only if you can't get there for an individual visit. (Of course, this doesn't apply to college fairs.)
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Posted: Tue Aug 29th, 2006 02:32 pm |
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| Ditto Chedva -- more my son's point of view (which is really what's important). We attended a few planned events and he hated them. Felt they were too packaged.
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Posted: Wed Aug 30th, 2006 12:27 am |
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| Yeah, sounds like your son's SAT scores would be fine & in-line with his PSAT performance. It is good for our kids to know it's not a completely "done deal" & the NMF designation is a bit of a help, particularly for schools that award merit money. It made a big difference for our S at USC--gave him over $20,000/year for 4 years, which helped make USC affordable for us. If he weren't a NMF, I think he would have gotten $0.
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Posted: Wed Aug 30th, 2006 01:33 pm |
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Thanks, HImom, that's good to hear, especially since money is a major consideration. Now, if I can ward off H's desire for S to do ED, we'll be heading in the right direction. 
Has anyone noticed how on the US News College site, in the admissions section for each school, under the part that starts:
Does the college use SAT or ACT scores in admissions decisions for first-time, first-year applicants?
SAT/ACT requirements:
SAT/ACT scores must be received by:
Tests accepted for Fall 2007 entering class:
SAT Subject Test scores must be received by:
After the question "SAT/ACT requirements" many schools have "Either SAT or ACT required." But after that fourth entry of "Tests accepted for Fall 2007 enter class:" the same school will only list the ACT. What does this mean? Any ideas?
I've been wondering which S should submit anyway, because I think his ACT score is higher (2190 vs. 33).
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Posted: Wed Aug 30th, 2006 02:20 pm |
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| I hadn't noticed it before, but now I do. Has to be a glitch. I just checked for a school that doesn't even list the ACT scores because so few of their applicants submit just the ACT, and sure enough it says "ACT with writing" following the "Tests Accepted for Fall 2007 entering class" That can't be right.
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Posted: Wed Aug 30th, 2006 02:28 pm |
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limner wrote: ....Has anyone noticed how on the US News College site, in the admissions section for each school, under the part that starts:
Does the college use SAT or ACT scores in admissions decisions for first-time, first-year applicants?
SAT/ACT requirements:
SAT/ACT scores must be received by:
Tests accepted for Fall 2007 entering class:
SAT Subject Test scores must be received by:
After the question "SAT/ACT requirements" many schools have "Either SAT or ACT required." But after that fourth entry of "Tests accepted for Fall 2007 enter class:" the same school will only list the ACT. What does this mean? Any ideas? ....
Thanks for the heads up on the ACT only on some schools. I will have my D look closely at the schools she is considering since her ACT was dismal. She was exhausted the day she took it and her score reflects not only her difficulty with lengthy tests but also being tired and sick She was not planning on a re-take. She just signed up for the Oct SAT after taking a Princeton Review class.
Which schools did you see ACT only for the class of 2007 listed?
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Posted: Wed Aug 30th, 2006 02:40 pm |
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I don't think they meant that it's ACT only. I think when they said which tests, it was which ACT version (with or without writing) was acceptable. (I think everyone still takes the SATs. At least according to their websites, all the schools my d is interested in still do.
(This may be a holdover from last year when some schools still accepted the old SAT without writing. They may have just deleted the SAT info in that field and left the ACT info.)
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Posted: Wed Aug 30th, 2006 02:45 pm |
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At each of the schools below, they state the conflicting (to me) info of:
SAT/ACT requirements: Either SAT or ACT required.
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Tests accepted for Fall 2007 entering class: ACT with writing
Some list the "ACT without writing" in addition to the with writing. Here are the ones I've seen listing ACT for the 2007 class:
Middlebury, Carleton, Grinnell, Bates, Boston College, U of Chicago, Reed.
Northwestern said either ACT w/ wrting or new SAT.
But this is still a bit unclear to me. Why say that either SAT or ACT is required and then say ACT is accepted for 2007 class. That indicates it's a change for this class.Last edited on Wed Aug 30th, 2006 03:03 pm by limner
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Posted: Wed Aug 30th, 2006 02:57 pm |
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I think they mean, "If they take the ACT, which one do they accept?" Last year it was "If they take the SAT, which one - old or new? If they take ACT, which one - with or without writing?" This year, no one takes the old SAT, so that was just dropped out of the discussion of "Tests required". They removed the SAT information, but didn't change the label to make sense.
It should read "Which ACT is accepted for class of 2007".
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Posted: Wed Aug 30th, 2006 03:02 pm |
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| Well, that's a heck of a typo, and it's throughout the US News web site, too.
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Posted: Wed Aug 30th, 2006 03:12 pm |
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There are very few ACT-only or SAT-only schools. Off the top of my head, I think Wake Forest is SAT only (maybe not anymore) and Brigham Young is ACT only. Princeton used to be SAT-only (with a very narrow exception) but that has changed. There's a list on another admissions forum that I'll look for. When I say "very few", what I should actually say is that while there are quite a few ACT-only schools, almost all of them are 2-year colleges in the midwest, along with some technical schools and some fairly obscure bible colleges. It's an odd list.
EDIT: With thanks to Xiggi, here's an old list (2005) Not sure AT ALL how accurate it is these days.
SAT-ONLY INSTITUTIONS
California Institute of Technology Pasadena CA
Harvey Mudd College Claremont CA
Art Institute of Boston at Lesley Coll Boston MA
Loyola College Baltimore MD
Central Maine Medical Ctr Sch Nrsng Lewiston ME
Wake Forest University Winston-Salem NC
Charles E Gregory School of Nursing Perth Amboy NJ
CUNY-Bernard M Baruch College New York NY
CUNY-College of Staten Island Staten Island NY
Webb Institute of Naval Architecture Glen Cove NY
Johnson Technical Institute Scranton PA
ACT-ONLY INSTITUTIONS
Sheldon Jackson College Sitka AK
Arkansas State University-Beebe Branch Beebe AR
Central Baptist College Conway AR
Crowley's Ridge College Paragould AR
Jefferson RMC Sch of Radiologic Tech Pine Bluff AR
Jefferson School of Nursing Pine Bluff AR
St Vincent Infirmary Sch Radiologic Tch Little Rock AR
Pacific Union College Angwin CA
Florida Christian College Kissimmee FL
Florida College Temple Terrace FL
Marion County Sch Radiologic Technology Ocala FL
Altamaha Technical Institute Jesup GA
Iowa Methodist School of Radiolog Tech Des Moines IA
Jennie Edmundson Hosp Sch Radiologic Tc Council Bluffs IA
North Iowa Mercy HC Sch Radiologic Tch Mason City IA
Northwest Nazarene College Nampa ID
East-West University Chicago IL
Moody Bible Institute Chicago IL
Olivet Nazarene University Kankakee IL
Providence Baptist College Elgin IL
St Francis Med Ctr Sch Rad Tech-IL Peoria IL
Truman College Chicago IL
West Suburban College of Nursing Oak Park IL
Heritage Baptist University Greenwood IN
Hyles-Anderson College Crown Point IN
Emporia State University Emporia KS
Haskell Indian Nations University Lawrence KS
Washburn University of Topeka Topeka KS
Eastern Kentucky University Richmond KY
Hazard Community College Hazard KY
Henderson Community College Henderson KY
Jefferson Community College-KY Louisville KY
Lexington Community College Lexington KY
Madisonville Community College Madisonville KY
Mid-Continent College Mayfield KY
Murray State University Murray KY
Northern Kentucky University Highland Heights KY
Pikeville College Pikeville KY
Prestonsburg Community College Prestonsburg KY
Southeast Community College Cumberland KY
Baton Rouge Gen M C Sch of Rad Tech Baton Rouge LA
Bossier Parish Community College Bossier City LA
Louisiana State Univ at Alexandria Alexandria LA
Louisiana State University at Eunice Eunice LA
Louisiana State University Sch Dentist New Orleans LA
Louisiana State U-Sch of Allied Health Shreveport LA
North Oaks Med Cntr Sch Radiologic Tech Hammond LA
Northeast Louisiana University Monroe LA
Saint Joseph Seminary College Saint Benedict LA
Southeastern Louisiana University Hammond LA
Southern University at New Orleans New Orleans LA
Southern University at Shreveport Shreveport LA
FaithWay Baptist College Ypsilanti MI
Ferris State University Big Rapids MI
Grace Bible College Grand Rapids MI
Lawrence Technological University Southfield MI
Madonna University Livonia MI
Oakland University Rochester MI
Bemidji State University Bemidji MN
Martin Luther College New Ulm MN
Minnesota State University, Mankato Mankato MN
Oak Hills Bible College Bemidji MN
University of Minnesota-Crookston Crookston MN
Conception Seminary College Conception MO
Le Cox School of Radiologic Technology Springfield MO
Lincoln University-MO Jefferson City MO
Mineral Area College Park Hills MO
Missouri Western State College St Joseph MO
Southwest Missouri State U-West Plains West Plains MO
St John's School of Radiology Springfield MO
Copiah-Lincoln Community College Wesson MS
Copiah-Lincoln Community Coll-Natchez Natchez MS
Hinds Comm College-Jackson Campus Jackson MS
Hinds Comm College-Rankin Branch Pearl MS
Hinds Comm College-Raymond Campus Raymond MS
Hinds Comm College-Utica Campus Utica MS
Hinds Comm College-Vicksburg/Warren Vicksburg MS
Mississippi Bapt Med Ctr Sch Rad Tech Jackson MS
Mississippi Delta Community College Moorhead MS
Pearl River Community College Poplarville MS
Wilkes Community College Wilkesboro NC
Medcenter One Health Systems Radiology Bismarck ND
Turtle Mountain Community College Belcourt ND
Alegent Health Sch of Radiologic Tech Omaha NE
Grace Univesity Omaha NE
Midland Lutheran College Fremont NE
Nebraska College of Tech Agriculture Curtis NE
Union College-NE Lincoln NE
Genesee Community College Batavia NY
Practical Bible College Bible School Park NY
Jefferson Technical College Steubenville OH
Mansfield General Hosp Sch of Nursing Mansfield OH
Marion Technical College Marion OH
MedCentral College of Nursing Mansfield OH
Mount Vernon Nazarene College Mount Vernon OH
East Central University Ada OK
Northern Oklahoma College Tonkawa OK
Rogers University-Claremore Campus Claremore OK
Southwestern Oklahoma St U-Sayre Sayre OK
Bob Jones University Greenville SC
Holmes Bible College Greenville SC
McKennan Hosp Sch Radiologic Technology Sioux Falls SD
Presentation College Aberdeen SD
Sioux Valley Hosp Sch Radiologic Tech Sioux Falls SD
South Dakota State University Brookings SD
Free Will Baptist Bible College Nashville TN
Methodist Hosps Sch of Radiologic Tech Memphis TN
Tennessee Technological University Cookeville TN
Volunteer State Community College Gallatin TN
Brigham Young University Provo UT
Clover Park Technical College Lakewood WA
Walla Walla College College Place WA
Baptist College of Ministry Menomonee Falls WI
Bellin College of Nursing Green Bay WI
Northeast Wisconsin Technical College Green Bay WI
Univ of Wisconsin-Baraboo/Sauk County Baraboo WI
Univ of Wisconsin-Barron County Rice Lake WI
Univ of Wisconsin-Fond Du Lac Fond Du Lac WI
Univ of Wisconsin-Fox Valley Menasha WI
Univ of Wisconsin-Green Bay Green Bay WI
Univ of Wisconsin-La Crosse La Crosse WI
Univ of Wisconsin-Manitowoc Manitowoc WI
Univ of Wisconsin-Marathon County Wausau WI
Univ of Wisconsin-Marshfield/Wood Co Marshfield WI
Univ of Wisconsin-Richland Richland Center WI
Univ of Wisconsin-River Falls River Falls WI
Univ of Wisconsin-Rock County Janesville WI
Univ of Wisconsin-Sheboygan Sheboygan WI
Univ of Wisconsin-Stevens Point Stevens Point WI
Univ of Wisconsin-Superior Superior WI
Univ of Wisconsin-Washington County West Bend WI
Univ of Wisconsin-Waukesha Waukesha WI
Southern West Virginia C Tech C-Logan Mt Gay WV
St Mary's/Marshall U Coop Nursing Prgm Huntington WV
W Virginia Univ Hosp Sch of Radiology Morgantown WV
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Posted: Wed Aug 30th, 2006 03:17 pm |
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| Yes, it is an odd list, and it's not complete, by any means (I should be working, not checking out the entire US News College web site, argh). My point isn't that these schools only take the ACT. My point is that it's not clear whether they only take the ACT (an unlikely scenario, I agree). I also want to know why it's worded in that confusing fashion. That's all.
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