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alanarch
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Posted: Fri Dec 29th, 2006 12:23 pm |
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I found this on the CC board. It has a detailed breakdown of where students went right after graduation . I haven't read the whole thing yet but it gives the names of grad schools and employers (job title) broken down by major. It seems very useful. Do other schools have this kind of data and where would you find it.
http://www.bucknell.edu/Documents/CD...l%20report.pdf
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CarolynLawrence
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Posted: Fri Dec 29th, 2006 05:17 pm |
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When I clicked on the link, it didn't take me to the file. I think this is probably a more direct link: http://www.bucknell.edu/x2573.xml The report Alan is referring to is towards the bottom of the page.
Most schools keep some statistics about where grads go, but often don't report it as clearly as Bucknell (kudos to Bucknell) -- best place to start is the Career Services Office on campus, as well as the individual departments of interest. Sometimes alumni magazines (usually available online) also carry this sort of report.
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mackinaw
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Posted: Fri Dec 29th, 2006 11:47 pm |
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That's an impressive set of graphics.
The data on the following page don't show the outcomes for a specific graduating class but not surprisingly do reveal a very different profile from Bucknell's.
http://web.reed.edu/ir/outcomes.html
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kdmom
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Posted: Fri Jan 5th, 2007 02:25 am |
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My son just received the Tulane viewbook. As I was glancing through, I couldn't help noticing that their School of Public Health claims that "Within one year of graduation, Tulane students responding to a recent nationwide survey were earning the following salaries:
Biostatistics: $33,000 - $63,000
Epidemiology: $38,175 - $136,237
Health Services Administration: $37,050 - $161,400
..." (p.24)
It doesn't say anywhere that these are salaries for students with graduate degrees, but they *can't* be referring to undergrads... can they?
I couldn't find this information on the Tulane web site, but the viewbook certainly makes me want to take another look at Tulane!
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mackinaw
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Posted: Fri Jan 5th, 2007 02:30 am |
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I agree with your doubt that these are graduates with bachelors degrees, especially for the high-end of the salary ranges for each category. Also, epidemiology and biostatistics are typically advanced degree programs. And nobody is going to walk into a $160K/year job in health administration 1 year after graduation.
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Posted: Sat Jan 6th, 2007 01:42 am |
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Professionals with other degrees interested in public health or research often supplement their credentials with an MPH (masters in public health). My bet is that those on the higher end of the salary scale had another degree (an MD, for example) or were mid-career persons who got the extra credential and were able to move into more senior positions based on the combination of previous degrees, experience, and the new degree. As a career field, public health is not known for high salaries!
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Posted: Sat Jan 6th, 2007 05:41 am |
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Just as an aside, but would appreciate any thoughts on this that anyone may have.
My daugher is now pretty firmly leaning away from studio art as a major and towards psychology (Yes, it is amazing how she has such a knack for picking majors with such high paying career potential  )
Anyhow, she volunteered in a nursing home during high school and really enjoyed working with the elderly. She has been looking into the possibility of working in the geriatric care field for a career, and thinking about maybe going on for a Master's specifically in geriatrics, or geriatric social work (amazingly, San Diego State has just such a program). She's also considering doing a minor in health studies at Beloit. (The health studies minor involves courses across the disciplines related to health care, the health care system, etc.)
While I was amazed at how she seems to be veering in a direction that seems so right for her on many levels, I'm wondering if anyone might have any experience or knowledge of the health care field or geriatric care in general, and be able to share some thoughts on career possibilities if she goes in this direction. She's already thought about art therapy in the past. Thanks!
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mackinaw
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Posted: Sat Jan 6th, 2007 06:37 am |
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Carolyn, one thing that occurs to me is that she may end up wanting to get an MD. That would require a specific set of preparatory courses in bio and chem as an undergrad that she would be unlikely to take as a psychology major. So if this is at all a possibility, she would need to plan accordingly.
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Posted: Sat Jan 6th, 2007 03:45 pm |
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| Geriatric health care a burgeoning career field - remember all us Baby Boomers? With people living longer, the very elderly (80+ years old) population is the fastest growing segment. Should have excellent job potential.
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Posted: Sat Jan 6th, 2007 04:24 pm |
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mackinaw wrote: Carolyn, one thing that occurs to me is that she may end up wanting to get an MD.
Mack,
I laughed out loud when I read this. I can say with certainty that my daughter will never be interested in going to medical school in this life time. She's already grousing about the human biology course that is a requirement for majoring in psychology. She's more a social worker-artist type. 
Thanks Chevda - I think you are right about the geriatrics field growing. It will be interesting to see if she really does pursue this. I'm still stunned that she's actually thinking ahead to her future. She's never been big on planning.
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Posted: Sat Jan 6th, 2007 04:28 pm |
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carolyn:
Due to a family situation (stroke), I was recently visiting the rehab ward of a hospital, and was simply amazed at with the knowledge of the therapists: occupational, speech, recreational, and mental health professionals. I have no doubt that these jobs will be in demand for years to come.
kdmom: sorry to be late to respond, but newberry is correct on Public Health salaries. Biostat majors (masters or PhD) do very well, but it's a lot of math. The high salaries in the Admininstration area are due to MDs going back to school and earning an MPH. Often times, the MD was already a six figure Health Services Administrator (city, county), and just took a leave of absence, and then return to thier previous job. High paid Nurse administrators also go back and earn an MPH courtesy. Epi grads also do well, but some of them are physicians, and if working for, say, the Centers for Disease Control, have a high federal medical pay scale -- not bcos they are epi experts, but bcos they have an MD degree (US Public Health Service has a different pay scale for MDs). In summary, many students in the top MPH programs are already medical personnel prior to matriculating into the MPH program.
Who was it that said: "Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics..."
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mackinaw
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Posted: Sat Jan 6th, 2007 04:39 pm |
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Attributed to Benjamin Disraeli and Mark Twain, but they may have been copyists. My son writes a column on baseball statistics that goes by "Lies, Damned Lies."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies%2C_Damn_Lies%2C_and_Statistics
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Posted: Sat Jan 6th, 2007 04:53 pm |
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Ask a mathematician what 2 and 2 are: 4.
Ask a lawyer what 2 and 2 are: "I'll get back to you."
Ask a statistician what 2 and 2 are: "What would you like it to be?" 
(And just for the record, I have a masters in epidemiology, and a law degree.)
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Posted: Sat Jan 6th, 2007 05:35 pm |
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Carolyn, Geriatrics is a very good field. Is she sure that she would want to work as a psychlogist with geriatric patients? School psychologists do very nicely Some start with a masters and then over years, while working in the schools, they pick up their pHDs. Some of the courses are paid for by school districts (I would think they all have different policies about that). Public school benefits can be quite good.
I have a distant relative who majored in "family studies" at a big state school. Parents worried about what she would do with this degree. She continued on and got a masters in "counseling". She is now a guidance counselor in a private elementary school. I asked the mother what elementary school students need a gc for, and she told me they don't, but their parents need one  (second graders are already being groomed for Harvard by their parents).
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CarolynLawrence
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Posted: Sat Jan 6th, 2007 10:39 pm |
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I've suggested guidance counseling to her in the past, but she was very close with her high school guidance counselor, and saw how frustrated she was by how little actual "counseling" she got to do as she ran to keep up with administrative tasks. Of course, the same probably is true in a geriatrics setting, but my daughter is one of those rare kids that has always loved being around the elderly.
And, heck. She's only a freshman. Who the heck knows what she'll end up doing?
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Posted: Sun Jan 7th, 2007 12:28 am |
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I hope she takes some courses in anthropology at Beloit, because Beloit has an outstanding program.
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Posted: Sun Jan 7th, 2007 12:57 am |
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| totally off-point, but, mac, what does your son say about: 1) Big Mac's chances in the HOF; 2) Cal Ripken becoming the first unanimous choice?
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Posted: Sun Jan 7th, 2007 01:31 am |
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mackinaw wrote: I hope she takes some courses in anthropology at Beloit, because Beloit has an outstanding program.
That's one of the reasons that she's given up on the idea of trying to double major in studio art and psychology (unfortunately no minors in either at Beloit), and she is very interested in several of the anthro courses. She wouldn't be able to do anything BUT art and psych. By the way, two of the courses she'll need for the health studies major are in the anthro. department. And, you're right: The anthro (and archeology) departments are amazing for such a small school.
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Posted: Sun Jan 7th, 2007 01:38 am |
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Hi DD, I haven't asked him those questions but from the postings I've been reading on the BaseballProspectus website and other places, I think McGwire has no chance. Some of the voters are finding irrelevant or even erroneous reasons, such as saying that McGwire was one-dimensional, rather than directly attacking him for his not denying yet still not being proved as having used steroids.
As for unanimous vote for Ripken, well he's a shoo-in but some of those BBWA members are perverse. As one of the BP writers (Joe Sheehan) has stated, any BBWA member who votes against Ripken should have his credentials revoked. (On-line baseball writers are not eligible to become members of the BBWA and cannot vote.)
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Posted: Sun Jan 7th, 2007 04:00 am |
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mac:
as a Bay Area kid, I'll never forgive the BBall writers for not making Willie Mays a unanimous choice.....
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