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DesperateDad
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Posted: Sat Aug 25th, 2007 09:01 pm |
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| Is that correct, just the basic application info (name, rank and serial number, grades) and fee?
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CarolynLawrence
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Posted: Sat Aug 25th, 2007 09:14 pm |
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Yep, that's all there is to it. You also don't send your transcript until after you are admitted and decide to attend.
One tip: most of the Cal States work on a rolling admissions basis so the earlier you get your app in after they start taking apps on October 1st, the better your chances. Some Cal States only take applications through the end of November like the UC's, but others continue to accept them well into the fall. Impacted programs always fill up quickly, so early is always better.
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DesperateDad
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Posted: Sat Aug 25th, 2007 09:56 pm |
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| thanks, Carolyn.
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*seniorboysmom*
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Posted: Tue Aug 28th, 2007 03:25 pm |
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While on the subject of Cal States.....
Is there any unofficial "ranking" of the schools....like the UC's top schools are Berkeley and UCLA and "lower tier" being UCSC and Merced? S has decided to forego the UC route due to lack of a qualifying fine arts course and use the Cal States as their replacement on his list, but I am having a tough time finding any sort of info.
Also, is there any breakdown for acceptance rates depending on majors at Cal Poly? I know it is pretty tough in the more technical majors, but what about Poli Sci?
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DesperateDad
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Posted: Tue Aug 28th, 2007 06:35 pm |
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umm, the Cal States also have a VAPA requirement.
http://www.csumentor.edu/planning/high_school/subjects.asp
Cal Poly SLO is generally considered the "top" Cal State, but not too sure about rankings of the others. San Diego & Long Beach are extremely popular.
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Posted: Tue Aug 28th, 2007 08:28 pm |
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DD, you need to meet the same A-G requirements for the Cal States as you do for the UC's. You enter the names of the courses you've taken on the application to show you've met the A-G requirements. There are also some requirements for testing based on GPA but if you have above a 3.0 (if I recall) A-G GPA, test scores aren't considered.
All of the Cal States each have their own individual pluses and minuses depending on the needs and preferences of each individual. The CSU mentor site (http://www.csumentor.edu) has a database that lets you search for the Cal States by size, major offered, and perhaps location (can't recall). That's probably the best place to start narrowing things down based on personal preferences. With the Cal States, as with all schools, I'd also pay attention to these factors in developing a personal ranking: average class sizes, whether the potential major is over-enrolled, availability of classes, graduation rate (most of the Cal States have dismal grad rates, but that may not mean YOUR kid won't graduate on time), support services, special programs (honors colleges, freshman year experience programs, etc.)
Some of the Cal States I think don't get the attention they may deserve are Cal Maritime (great for engineering), Cal State Monterey (unique curriculum approach), and Cal State Stanislaus' honors college.
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Posted: Tue Aug 28th, 2007 08:29 pm |
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Thanks, DD-
His issue is that the 2 years of fine arts he has already take in high school are not accepted by the UC's for some reason, but I am assuming that they will be accepted by the Cal States, HOPEFULLY!  He was considering taking a third year to satisfy this requirement, but he has a very full schedule and is not an artsy kind of guy so decided against it.
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Posted: Tue Aug 28th, 2007 08:31 pm |
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*seniorboysmom* wrote: Thanks, DD-
His issue is that the 2 years of fine arts he has already take in high school are not accepted by the UC's for some reason, but I am assuming that they will be accepted by the Cal States, HOPEFULLY!
NEVER assume anything in college admissions. Have your son ask his guidance counselor if he has met the Cal State requirements. The CSU Mentor site also has all of the details, but if you can't find the answer there, and the GC can't tell you or seems unsure, call one of the Cal States and ask directly.Last edited on Tue Aug 28th, 2007 08:37 pm by CarolynLawrence
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Posted: Tue Aug 28th, 2007 08:46 pm |
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Thanks, Carolyn.
Have just sent off the email to the GC, so we will keep our fingers crossed. 
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Posted: Tue Aug 28th, 2007 10:14 pm |
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seniorboysmom:
if instate, you can look up your HS online and confirm which classes count for a-g requirements; VAPA is the 'f' requirement. While the site is for UC admissions, it is my understanding that the Cal State requirements are identical.
http://www.ucop.edu/doorways/
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Posted: Wed Aug 29th, 2007 12:02 am |
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Son graduated from HS in 2004 so info is little dated.
Son's HS did not have several classes A-G certified per the website. My husband called the guidance counselor who was in charge of that. She told husband that she had mailed the paperwork and was waiting. Husband asked her why she didn't do it online, and he told her how to find it on the website. Maybe it was coincidence, maybe not, but later that day or early next, the classes were now A-G. Hope you have good luck with the GC. If the GC had not corrected the matter, son was going to have to take a CC on-line music course during the summer. I think it was wind ensemble that was the class, can't remember. There was also another class that the GC added. I think the course description had been completed, the GC just didn't have a clue on what to do with it.
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Posted: Wed Aug 29th, 2007 02:50 am |
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Thanks, everyone.
Heard back from the GC that she "assumes" the 2 fine arts he has already taken are sufficient for Cal States, eventhough I am certain they are not enough for UC's. Now I am really confused.....
While the Cal States are not his first choices, they are very necessary as they are his safeties (academically and financially) . Any ideas on where we can find out for sure?
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Posted: Wed Aug 29th, 2007 01:08 pm |
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seniorboysmom:
Since your GC does not "know" you probably need to heed Carolyn's advice by calling the campuses your S is interested in, or perhaps the Cal State main administrative office in Long Beach.
Below is the link showing that the approved a-g courses for Cal State and UC are identical.
http://www.ucop.edu/a-gguide/ag/content/CSU_UCmatrixcomparison_2005_6.v2.may.2005.pdf
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Posted: Wed Aug 29th, 2007 03:00 pm |
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Thanks DD and Carolyn, I will call today. Am I ever glad that I happened upon this thread!!
From the UC admissions guide:
"Visual Art. Examples of acceptable courses include painting, drawing, sculpture, art photography, printmaking, video/film production as an art form, contemporary media, ceramics, and art history."
Both of his fine arts classes are listed here as "acceptable", however for some reason they are not specified by his high school as being UC approved.
Thanks so much for the heads up!!!!
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Posted: Wed Aug 29th, 2007 04:56 pm |
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seniorboysmom:
Let us know how it comes out.
fyi -- for a class to be UC-approved, the school must submit a course decsription and syllabus to UC for 'a-g' approval.
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Posted: Wed Aug 29th, 2007 10:02 pm |
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I don't think that a course needs to be UC-Approved in order to meet UC A-G requirements, though obviously the approval makes it easier. There is a way to enter the names of courses that are not on the approved list into the online application form -- I'm pretty sure my daughter figured out a way to enter in all the classes she was given credit for from her semester in Russia, though she planned in such a way that they would not be needed to fill the A-G requirements. Obviously those could not have been A-G approved.
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DesperateDad
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Posted: Wed Aug 29th, 2007 11:28 pm |
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I don't think that a course needs to be UC-Approved in order to meet UC A-G requirements.
It's my understanding that classes MUST be UC-approved for a-g credit. Every year there are complaints from private schools, particularly religious-based schools, when UC turns down their history (or whatever) class for a-g credit. For example, "band" may or may not be approved -- marching band is not an approved VAPA course, whereas band in the classroom typically is approved. While the Cal States are supposed to use the same criteria for a-g courses, as others have posted on AA, some campuses waive a requirement or two.
But, UC approval is really only for in-state high schools and jucos; the publics submit their courses for approval as a matter of course. (I was a volunteer assisting the GC at a new school in our district obtain course approval). For OOS applicants, the app reader decides whether a course meets the UC criteria for admission.
A friend completed a full year-abroad...I'll find out what they did with the four year english requirement.
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Posted: Thu Aug 30th, 2007 03:16 am |
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DD is correct. All high schools in California have to have their courses approved by the UC's in order for students to use them for A-G requirements. The UC system only approves courses for high schools in California.
If a student attends high school outside of California, which includes studying abroad, they still must meet the A-G requirements in terms of their curriculum, but obviously do not have to take UC approved courses.
Students who have met part of the A-G requirements by taking courses at a college also do not need them to be "UC approved" but they must be from an accredited college.
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Posted: Thu Aug 30th, 2007 03:22 am |
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There is a way to get into UCs without a-g requirements. I am not sure about Calstates.
For UCs, you take 5 SAT scores, CR, CW and M from the reasoning test, plus two SAT IIs. For each test, it gets converted to a number between 1-100, with 800=100. You need 410 points to be considered. That means you need to average 690 on all 5 scores.
http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/undergrad_adm/paths_to_adm/freshman/exam_eligibility.html
I know homeschoolers who have done this, since a-g are basically impossible.
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Posted: Thu Aug 30th, 2007 03:23 am |
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| That's right lfm - you are talking about being UC eligibly by examination. It doesn't guarantee you admission to make the cut-off score combo, but it does make you eligible to apply.
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