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defyingravity1
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Posted: Tue Apr 1st, 2008 01:56 am |
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My friend is currently at Community College. She is looking to transfer for Spring 2009. She is seeing Bryn Mawr this weekend. She is also liking the look of Syracuse.
She is a URM ( African American)
Her interests are dance, spanish, history, writing, and reading.
She wants to be in a city or near one. We live in NYC if that helps.
She is in the honors program at her college with a 3.6 GPA.
Her HS GPA was a 2.9 and she scored around a 500- 550 on the reading and math section of the SAT.
Her parents are making her apply to Vassar.
She wants a student body under 5000 students.
Any school suggestions for her? I have told her she needs to aim lower than Bowdoin, Amherst, Vassar, Sarah Lawrence, Hamilton etc. but she does not seem to listening.
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warblers
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Posted: Tue Apr 1st, 2008 02:02 am |
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| I have a friend studying dance at Barnard who loves it, although it'd probably be a reach for your friend. Maybe Case Western or Goucher?
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Posted: Tue Apr 1st, 2008 02:07 am |
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If she wants 5000 students or fewer, scratch Syracuse. It's got 13,000 undergrads and 6,000 graduate students (and it's nowhere near a real city).
Muhlenberg might be somewhere to look; it's got a great dance program.
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mominva
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Posted: Tue Apr 1st, 2008 02:16 am |
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Goucher in the Baltimore area might work for her.
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defyingravity1
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Posted: Tue Apr 1st, 2008 02:17 am |
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| Thanks Chedva and Warblers. I have suggested Goucher and Agnes Scott to her but she only seems interested in schools that are "elite". :-/
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defyingravity1
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Posted: Tue Apr 1st, 2008 02:18 am |
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Hence her rejections from NYU Cornell Hamilton etc last year.
I also think she would prefer to stay on the East Coast.Last edited on Tue Apr 1st, 2008 02:21 am by defyingravity1
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Posted: Tue Apr 1st, 2008 01:13 pm |
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| She apparently has not learned from her rejections last year. What is the harm in including some realistic matches and safeties to list of reach schools? Doesn't she want options? Last edited on Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 10:53 am by Northeastmom
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Canadian
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Posted: Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 01:17 am |
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defyingravity1,
You sound like a good friend. But if your buddy and her parents prefer getting rejected from elites to getting accepted by good fits, there is not much you can do. Perhaps she might join this board herself and maybe it would broaden her horizon.
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Consolation
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Posted: Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 02:22 pm |
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I think she is aiming at the wrong places. I would say that a 3.6 at a CC is unlikely to overcome her SAT scores and HS GPA at the kind of place she is currently considering. Maybe a 4.0 at the CC, depending on the courses she has taken...I know someone who graduated from Smith as an Ada Comstock Scholar (A great program for women whose education was interrupted.), and the advice she got was to go to a CC, get straight As, and *then* apply.
There's just a lot of demand for LACs in the Northeast in or near a city. I'm not familiar with their stats, but how about Emerson in Boston--that always had an artistic bent-- or maybe Simmons or Wheelock?
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defyingravity1
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Posted: Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 06:25 pm |
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Thank you so much everyone!! She will be applying for spring of her sophmore year? Would you advise her to apply for Fall 2009 instead, and finish out her Assosiates? The thing is, she has no idea what she wants to major in, ( She thinks writing) the thing is ( and I would never tell her this, though I have suggested she get tested for a LD is she writes like she does not know the Engish language which puzzles me because she was born and raised here. Little problems but obvious things that one should know, like mixing up words and syntax errors.) and doesnt one have to know by their Junior year what their major is, if she were to go in as a Junior?
The problem is, our GC has told kids who have come to her that when one transfers after being in college, the only reason the colleges want to see their HS transcripts is to see that they passed HS and they are believing it!! So all my friends that I have told that HS still matter as a transfer are saying but GC told me...
Carolyn is the GC correct in this statement?Last edited on Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 06:30 pm by defyingravity1
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WestrnMom
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Posted: Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 07:13 pm |
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This is a question for Carolyn. I thought transfer students were not asked for test scores and were evaluated based on their college GPAs?
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defyingravity1
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Posted: Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 11:07 pm |
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| I know I was asked for my SAT score report at Earlham and Asheville as a transfer.
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CarolynLawrence
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Posted: Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 03:33 am |
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It depends on the schools she's applying to, and also how many credits she will be transferring with.
As a general rule, the farther you are from high school, the less importance your grades and test scores will be for transferring. A 3.6 after one semester will not be viewed in the same light as someone with a 3.6 after three semesters, especially if the high school grades were not strong. So, if she's planning to apply after two full semesters for Spring 2009, she will be better off than if she's looking to apply for next fall.
That said, transfer admissions committees will typically also consider where the student is transferring from, just as they consider the high school you attended when you apply as a freshman. While it won't hold true for every single college, more competitive colleges tend to feel that community colleges are not as academically rigorous as a four year college (especially one that they consider to be in their "peer" group). Thus, a 3.6 from Community College typically won't be considered as impressive as a 3.6 from a peer group college. Again, that's where the high school grades will also come into play --- after one or two semesters, many admissions people might wonder, "Is she just doing better because she's at an easier school now? Or has she really started to take school seriously?" The trouble is, after just one semester, they won't be able to answer the second question with any reliability, and that will undoubtably raise some doubts.
And, of course, the more transfer applications a college receives, the tougher the road is. Universities like Syracuse are also more competitive for certain programs. If she is hoping to transfer into Newhouse School of Communications, the numbers are tougher than for the university as a whole.
But, the way you are describing her, it sounds like any advice will likely fall on deaf ears, so wish her well, and perhaps pass along some of the suggestions given above. I know she's focused on the Northeast, but she might check out Hollins, Lewis & Clark, Lake Forest and Mills College. If she wants a university setting, I'd recommend she look at Howard, DePaul, Arizona State U, American, Fordham and Northeastern as good possibilities.
Last edited on Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 03:40 am by CarolynLawrence
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defyingravity1
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Posted: Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 04:00 am |
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Thank you so much Carolyn!! I will pass along the suggestions to her. I have already suggested Agnes Scott and Goucher to her. I know she has looked into Goucher but I think since she has never heard of Agnes Scott she is kind of eh.
CTCL Fair is coming to NYC in late May and I am trying to get her to go. I have always wanted to go to one but never made it
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