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WestrnMom
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Posted: Tue May 15th, 2007 03:32 am |
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No, not my son. Two friends' children were waitlisted at their #1 choices. One got in last week to the #1 choice, and another got in to the local, top school but not until Spring, 2008. Two questions. Do the schools they sent acceptances to care if they unaccept and will they get their deposits back? Why make the second student wait until 2008? Either they have a spot now or they don't.
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Descartes
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Posted: Tue May 15th, 2007 03:51 am |
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I can't answer the first, but as to the second: because they don't have a spot now. Admissions starting in 2008 are based on the expectation that a few new admits will leave (or not show up) by the end of the calendar year.
The student considering such an invitation should be aware that his/her starting experience might be quite different from the other freshmen. The orientation and "bonding" chemistry that occurs in September will very likely be absent in the winter term.
The good news (aside from the opportunity itself) is that, because they aren't waiting to see which student needs to be replaced, the admissions office probably considers him/her to be a relatively high seed on their wait-list and a good fit for the general profile they seek.
Last edited on Tue May 15th, 2007 04:00 am by Descartes
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Wendy (wjb)
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Posted: Tue May 15th, 2007 09:24 am |
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On your first question, the answers are "no" and "no." Colleges anticipate that a percentage of kids who accept their admissions offers will later clear waitlists at preferred schools. (That's why certain waitlists tend to be active for several months. It's the domino effect. Your friend's kid's decision to attend College X rather than college Y will open up a space for a kid now on College Y's waitlist, and so on down the line.) So all your friend's child has to do is notify College X of his/her decision. But the deposit won't be refunded.
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mathmom
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Posted: Tue May 15th, 2007 03:29 pm |
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Unless you tell College Y you aren't coming after all, how will they know? I think you have to tell them, it's not fair to the people on their waiting list.
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DesperateDad
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Posted: Tue May 15th, 2007 03:52 pm |
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| another reason for #2 is that students participate in study-abroad programs in the spring, which opens beds on campus. Last edited on Tue May 15th, 2007 03:53 pm by DesperateDad
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CarolynLawrence
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Posted: Tue May 15th, 2007 04:36 pm |
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WestrnMom wrote: Two questions. Do the schools they sent acceptances to care if they unaccept and will they get their deposits back? Why make the second student wait until 2008? Either they have a spot now or they don't.
Colleges expect a certain amount of "summer melt" due to waitlist action, so they won't hold it against him. He may not get his deposit back from the first school, and he should alert them that he won't be coming before sending his deposit to the waitlist school.
It is increasingly common for schools to use a Spring start for waitlisted kids - they know they'll always have a handful of kids who drop out during the fall term and, as DD suggests, also going on studying abroad, so it covers their butt to have new kids waiting in the wings to fill those slots in the spring term. In some cases, kids who accept the spring start even get bumped up to the fall semester if the school has more summer melt than expected.Last edited on Tue May 15th, 2007 04:39 pm by CarolynLawrence
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CarolynLawrence
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Posted: Tue May 15th, 2007 04:37 pm |
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mathmom wrote: Unless you tell College Y you aren't coming after all, how will they know? I think you have to tell them, it's not fair to the people on their waiting list.
You do have to tell them. In fact, if they find out you have double deposited, some schools will rescind their offer of admission.
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Posted: Tue May 15th, 2007 04:50 pm |
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A friend's son is going to Berkeley FPF (Fall program for freshmen) They have admitted 700 freshmen for spring 2008 who will take classes in the fall through the extension dept. They will be "regular" students starting in the spring. They can live in the dorms starting in the fall, which is really nice, and some of their classes will be on the main campus, most will be at the extension building 4 blocks away. Kind of an interesting twist on the spring admission. Fees are slightly higher through extension, because they receive no state funding, but all the classes count for graduation. For her son, he felt lucky to get in and happy to get into the dorms and get started in the fall.
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jocelynDAD
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Posted: Tue May 15th, 2007 04:55 pm |
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CarolynLawrence wrote: mathmom wrote: Unless you tell College Y you aren't coming after all, how will they know? I think you have to tell them, it's not fair to the people on their waiting list.
Carolyn responded:
You do have to tell them. In fact, if they find out you have double deposited, some schools will rescind their offer of admission.
Just a careful minute. If you have deposited before May 1st and afterwards a position on a waitlist opens up. This is not a case of double depositing. Once you respond to the waitlist and get the clear acceptance of your place in that school, then you notify the initial school.
If the waitlist offer is preliminary, to see if you are ready, willing and able - you still are not accepted until you say yes and the school accepts you into that class.
To cancel the pre-May 1st school, PRIOR to being assured of acceptance at the waitlist school could cause you to be without any school.
Caution should be the keynote at this time. Remember all schools expect a 'summer melt' and do not consider a response to a waitlist offer to be 'double depositing'
Double depositing is only when before May 1st, the student accepts two offers while trying to decide the final choice.
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WestrnMom
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Posted: Tue May 15th, 2007 05:01 pm |
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How do dorm wait lists work? Another mom said her son got into the Cal State he wanted but for some reason was not signed up for a dorm until April 30th. By then most of the other students had been signed up since February. Is it common for the dorm waiting lists to move quickly or will he be out of luck? By waiting until May 1st to commit, in a sense, he's in a similar position to students who get off a waiting list the first week of May, and may also not have a dorm.
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Wendy (wjb)
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Posted: Tue May 15th, 2007 05:58 pm |
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"Unless you tell College Y you aren't coming after all, how will they know? I think you have to tell them, it's not fair to the people on their waiting list."
Of course you are right, mathmom. You must notify both College X and College Y of your decision. That's what I get for posting in the middle of the night!
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CarolynLawrence
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Posted: Tue May 15th, 2007 06:27 pm |
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jocelynDAD wrote: CarolynLawrence wrote:
Just a careful minute. If you have deposited before May 1st and afterwards a position on a waitlist opens up. This is not a case of double depositing. Once you respond to the waitlist and get the clear acceptance of your place in that school, then you notify the initial school.
Double depositing is only when before May 1st, the student accepts two offers while trying to decide the final choice.
If you have sent two deposits at the same time to two different schools, that is definted as double depositing, regardless of when you do it.
Obviously, if you haven't sent a deposit to the waitlist school yet, or are waiting to hear about financial aid before making a final decision, you haven't double deposited.
But, once you have been admitted off a waitlist and decided to attend, you are technically supposed to let the other school know you will not be attending before accepting your place on the waitlist.
I think, however, that you are right in that schools might be somewhat more lenient if there is some overlap in a waitlist situation than in a pre-May 1 situation.
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Posted: Tue May 15th, 2007 06:53 pm |
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| I think I'd be scared to tell one school No before completing the process at the second. Maybe I'm a belt-&-suspenders type, but I'd be scared that Murphy's Law would come into play and my student wouldn't have anywhere to go! (Just as we didn't send the "No" postcards until the check was in the mail to the "Yes" school.)
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