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CarolynLawrence
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Posted: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 02:47 am |
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| There was an article in our local newspaper today that said San Diego State received 62,000 applications this year. They actually were already planning on reducing the size of the freshman class (down from 9,000 to just under 8,000 I believe), but with the proposed budget cuts, may admit even fewer. Wow.
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outwest
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Posted: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 03:48 am |
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That is really sad, actually. What is going to happen to 54,000 young people? California want to shunt most freshman and Sophomores down to the community colleges and they are trying to reduce the Freshman. I think the community college system is very good, but they haven't been enlarging that system to make up for the influx. There are just as many bright kids at the state schools as there are anywhere else, you just get more of a range (like real life). The trouble is the system is overloaded. FYI, there is an average of a two year wait to get into nursing schools. Instead of funding more nursing schools, they are cutting back. It doesn't make any sense.
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mackinaw
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Posted: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 04:08 am |
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What is their acceptance rate and yield?
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outwest
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Posted: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 05:58 am |
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I just looked it up:
it used to be 48%
I found a site that quoted this:
Admit Rate: 27%
Yield: 10%
Could that be true?!!?
Oh, wait, that is one of those 'my chances' sites- not reliable.
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Posted: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 02:50 pm |
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| I think you've got to attribute that huge application number to "feeding frenzy" in the admissions process. Students are applying to a greater number of schools, in the hopes of getting an admit "somewhere." The media feeds the panic, with stories about that wonderful A student who didn't get in, and with statistics on how boomer brats are moving through high school like the elephant in the boa. It's sad, but watcha gonna do?
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DesperateDad
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Posted: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 03:29 pm |
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California want to shunt most freshman and Sophomores down to the community colleges...
According to the Cal State office, the governor's proposed budget (which is DOA, IMO), will fund only 440,000 students, or 10,000 less than what they would otherwise; 10k is a lot of kids, but that is spread over 23 campuses and only 2% of total. Indeed, nearly every eligible Frosh is still guaranteed admission to thier local Cal State. While Cal State Hayward/East Bay does not offer the same college experience as SDSU or Cal Poly Pomona, it is still a four-year college. Of course, with budget cuts looming, late applicants (after the official deadline), will probably be denied, but those that applied in November will almost certainly be accepted to their local campus.
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outwest
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Posted: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 04:44 pm |
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I hope you are right, Desperatedad. I do remember reading that the Cal States would be focusing on admitting local students first (those that can live at home) and the UCs would be admitting based on application, not location. Personally, I love the Cal States and think their teaching can be superior to the doctorate level UC's. There is a need to ensure that local students have a local university to go to. The problem is that the Cal States vary widely in quality and programs offered.
When I was 18 I attended Cal Poly Pomona. I distinctly remember it was $78.00 a quarter (no lie). My middle daughter is attending Cal State Fullerton right now. They have raised the fees every semester (not every year). It is now, with parking, about $1800.00 a semester. While that seems like a pittance, it is an enormous amount of money for kids with no financial support. I know kids who do not go on to get their Bachelors from the community colleges because they can't pay the fees at the Cal States. They do not give many grants, only loans.
Both my oldest and now my youngest wanted a LAC. My middle wanted a large state school. The experience is as different as it can be between a LAC and a Cal State, but I believe my middle is getting an excellent education at Fullerton. One thing the State schools do is require a slew of GEs in all categories from ethnic diversity to history, intensive writing courses to math. She is becoming a VERY well educated individual.
What you miss at the State schools is the 'in the walls' experiences because most people commute and hav outside jobs. All my middles friends are from the local area. My oldest had friends from around the country.
I think I am a different sort of parent in that I can see the benefits and positives of a State University experience and can also see the benefits of a small private colleges experiences. The things I can't see are the benefits of a large private. I can't see any difference between those and the UCs or Cal States. Maybe someone can inform me of them? I told my youngest if she wanted to go to a large school don't apply to USC, for example, apply to UCLA. She ended up only applying to very small schools, far from home. That is okay, too.
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DesperateDad
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Posted: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 07:03 pm |
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it is an enormous amount of money for kids with no financial support.
Absolutely concur, outwest. And, unfortunately, the lack of financial support is probably the biggest reason many kids do not graduate in 4-5 years -- they have to work to support themselves, their families, and pay tuition.
things I can't see are the benefits of a large private....Maybe someone can inform me of them?
One huge benefit is cost, to follow-on to the first point. With their new financial aid initiatives, which include all grant and no loans, those privates back east can be less expensive to attend than a UC for many upper middle class kids, not to mention for lower income kids. The UCs even require $9k in self help financing from a Pell Grantee, in contrast to some colleges now where the self-help portion is essentially zero for those same kids.
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Posted: Fri Feb 1st, 2008 08:08 pm |
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I wonder if the increase is due to the change in deadlines for the Cal States? It seems that if the deadline was after the UC admissions came out, the number would be much lower. In the past any one who wanted to use the Cal States as a backup for the more selective UCs could wait until the UC decisions came out. Now that will not work.
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CarolynLawrence
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Posted: Fri Feb 1st, 2008 10:43 pm |
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DD is right - students from high schools south of Rte. 56 in San Diego county are still guaranteed admission to SDSU IF they meet CSU eligibility.
The kids who will be affected by the bump in numbers are those who are coming from outside that area (which is a huge chunk of San Diego county, by the way -- although No. SD kids can still get priority at CSU San Marcos (but almost no one in SD County wants to go to San Marcos over SDSU -- that's like saying to a kid "you can go to UC Riverside if you don't get into UCLA")
And, it will also affect students who are applying under EOP -- that's a program for economically disadvantaged kids who don't meet CSU eligibilty requirements. In the past, SDSU has given them some priority, but my sense from our admissions rep is that may not be the case this year.
Finally, just to clarify: SDSU will be cutting the size of its freshman class, i.e., those who enroll, from about 9,000 to 7500 or so. But that is not how many will be admitted. In years past, they've admitted more than twice as many as ultimately enroll in order to get the right yield.
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